Trike Version of this EPPG?


#1

So I know that they have 3(trike) and 4 wheel(quad) paramotors. I think it would be really cool to have a trike version where there’s 2 wheels put on the bottom stand. Then one new leg introduced to have a kart version of this super portable system. I know 2 - 5 people that would buy on of these electric trikes right now. What do you guys think?


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#2

I have a friend who flys trikes in NZ. I think a point here is he didn’t start with trikes, he had to switch to trikes because as he’s approaching his “60s (like me) he found the dead weight of a gas PPG too much to run with. The reason I took up powered hang gliding in preference to PPG is because my wife couldn’t carry the weight of a PPG and on FLPHG you only need to carry the weight of the glider, the motor trundles along as the back of the harness on a couple of wheeled legs. Now @Pdwhite et al has got the pack weight down to 10kg… Ten Kilos! So here’s the thing: My granny could carry that! Why do we need a trike?

Quick edit: on re-reading my post it could pose a question like “why are you flying FLPHG when it’s your wife that can’t carry a 30kg motor on her back? Does this bastard make her carry his kit”? No. Kaye is a pilot. She has a paragliding licence too, as well as hang glider, light sports aircraft and gyroplanes :sunglasses:


#3

I am looking to build a trike now
Last year when trying to launch I struggled with the weight on my back. I could kite with a training harness very well but once that weight was on my back it through my balance off. It also exhausted me much faster then I had thought it would.

At 53 I am not in bad shape but not in great shape - but to put that motor on in a training scenario with the hot sun beating down on you - it sucks the life out of you fast. And I apologize to all the folks I criticized for looking tired after a couple failed launches.

Did not get in the air last year!!!

So a trike it is – 4 wheels is good for me. I will make a quad for my Kangook ICEr and mod it later for the new ebuild - or just sell it with the old motor and then build a new quad to match the new E-rig better.

Cheers, Patrick


#4

Hi @E-pusher, don’t forget, a trike is heavier and will most likely require a larger launch site, than if you were just foot launching.

When I had PPG training, the instructor did with us a few hours of kiting on the ground with a freeflyer harness. Once we got the hang of it, we had to do the same again with the heavy paramotor.
I tell you, that was extremely exhausting.
But once you get the hang of it, you don’t have to carry the paramotor for very long:

Get your wing out and lay it out as usual, get the Paramotor on your back, attach the wing to the harness, and launch!

As soon as you start running, the wing will start to produce lift and, and pull up the motor, a few more steps and you’re taking off as well, hanging inside the harness before you lift your feet and get to sit in the harness.

Plus, this OpenPPG electric paramotor isn’t very heavy (unless you add tons of batteries to it).

Do some jogging, maybe some pushups, pull ups and situps every once in a while (twice a week) and you’re good to go! (also, you’ll feel better, too). :slight_smile:


#5

Yes thx - aware of all, did all that in training last year
I can jog for an hour - I can do 40 push ups in one set - I can make love to my wife for… sorry that ones not a good example!:grin:
In a training harness I can run/control the wing across a field, I can stop do 180, turn again and run again - reverse launch and control, I control the wing with the training harness very well.
But once that motor is on my back I lose much of my balance and control. And I know smaller less physical people do this - cant explain it.

Our training area was not the best for students - not trying to make excuses but very restricted on two sides. Hangers on one and a crop field on other so if you had to take off in those directions due to wind it was very short launch path – and a trike will not help with that if more distance is needed - the other 2 directions all the run way you need, but we found the wind changing too much.
I think for students you need lots of room and not having to worry about what you are going to hit if your not doing something correct and cant take off which was a lot of times with our group of 3 last year. One guy got up once on his trike and he just cleared the crops.

Cheers, Patrick


#6

Paul – Will the lower part to the frame support the weight of a trike - 30 to 50 lbs - if aluminum runners were sandwiched into space from rear front and then bolted down into the trike frame.
Cheers, Patrick


#7

I’m not 100%, and we do need to do full thrust measurements, but I’m not sure if you’ll get the thrust you need to get a trike off the ground. I’m a light pilot and there have been a few times I’ve really wished I could get more power out of this puppy…


#8

Thx – based on the numbers given - this will have 20lbs more thrust than my Pa125 with the wood prop.

I do want to add a large battery pack - so that is where my main concern is is about extra weight

Is there a slightly larger ESC and motor spec available for this?

Cheers, Patrick


#9

We have done a trike version before, here’s a vid https://youtu.be/SKhxe5wyOzY . Thrust isn’t the problem with trikes its usually just the weight of the trike frame (flypod is 80lbs just by it’s self with no motor). So the extra weight and it not being easy to transport is no fun.


#10

ok, great news, thrust is good - so with a trike around 35 lbs and a battery around 45 - we should be good. The transportation issue is not too bad if you make them so the motor is easily detached and the trike breaks down easily, which we are now seeing more of these days.

So back to my original thought on if the O-ppg can take the weight on the lower legs. It has to take the weight of the trike hanging and then the landing force of the pilot sitting weight, I see some trikes that have supports under the seat so the trike frame takes that force at landing from the pilot.

Cheers, Patrick